Historical Revisionism

 
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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[On UPDATE: Looks like I should have read my blog before I posted this, as Seventh Son also addressed this issue.]

I've largely tried to steer clear of the burgeoning Tom Hanks discussion about the inherent racism in our Pacific operations during WWII. I thought Band of Brothers was great, and I expect "The Pacific" to also be excellent. At the very least it brings attention to what we were doing to a host of folks who might not otherwise be exposed to it.

For those that didn't hear what he had to say, a good discussion of some of the elements can be found on a piece by Bruce McQ over at Blackfive, specifically as regards the ridiculous comment by Hanks that:

Back in World War II, we viewed the Japanese as ‘yellow, slant-eyed dogs’ that believed in different gods. They were out to kill us because our way of living was different. We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different. Does that sound familiar, by any chance, to what’s going on today?

McQ opines that:

It is easy to make ignorant statements like that when you decide you need to make a political point. We see it everyday in the three-ring circus we call politics. Bending history to fit your ideological point of view is nothing new and there's certainly nothing so special about Tom Hanks that he's somehow above such nonsense. But he ought to know better, especially after making this new HBO miniseries about the Pacific war...

Tom Hanks is a fine actor and an excellent film maker. But he should stick with what he knows. Deciding how those fighting the Japanese thought of their enemy isn't one of them. Making a film about them doesn't suddenly make him some sort of expert in that regard either. And, pretending to know what motivates those of us who fight our enemies of today is just as mistaken.

Anyway, I commend its' reading to all of you. But I wanted to show a comment that is even more asinine than the one which served as the genesis of this discussion. It is a comment on an LA Times blog piece about the kerfluffle, a comment by "Lorence":

I don't necessarily agree with everything that Tom Hanks has to say, but if you don't think that racism had even a small part in our decision to conduct ourselves and wage war they way we did, you are ignorant of the facts. Why weren't people of German descent put in concentration(oops, I mean internment)camps during the war? Why did we not drop the A-bomb on Germany as well as Japan? We could have tried to intimidate the USSR much more by bombing Germany, which is closer to Moscow, than bombing Japan. Granted, the US did bomb Germany, but mostly factories, oil refineries, railroads, etc. It was the Brits that bombed the German civilian targets for the most part. BTW, the US blockaded Japan before Pearl Harbor and they saw that as an act of war and warned us to relent. We didn't and they attacked. Maybe the end justified the means for us, but to say that racism had no part is absurd.

Hookay....taking those in order:
1) Why weren't people of German descent put in concentration(oops, I mean internment)camps during the war: They were. In fact, if you want some excellent information on the subject, you should go look at the website devoted to the topic at the German American Internee Coalition. Here is a map of some of the locations where German Americans were housed:
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2) Why did we not drop the A-bomb on Germany as well as Japan? I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that one of the main reasons was that Germany unconditionally surrendered on May 8, 1945, and the Trinity Test (the first test of nuclear weapons) wouldn't occur until July 16, 1945. It is not traditionally a good tactic to bomb someone who has already unconditionally surrendered.

3) Bombing Germany: This one is almost too ridiculous to entertain, but I will look at one bombing among many, the attack on Dresden, Germany from 13-15 February 1944. Just to prove those weren't happy leaflets we were dropping, I give you this iconic image:

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Here's an excellent graphic from Wiki that shows that the amount of explosives used in Dresden was even on the low side compared to other attacks in this theater.
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4) BTW, the US blockaded Japan before Pearl Harbor and they saw that as an act of war and warned us to relent. Honestly, I can't even track down where this guy got this one. The closest I came to finding someone who thought this is from some website which essentially purports to explain every war (seemingly) since Peloponnesian in terms of fight over oil. I did however find a reference to a pre-December 7th blockade, but unfortunate for our amateur historian Lorence, it was a Japanease one.

Anyway, I don't buy into Mr Hanks' theory of racism being a driving factor in the war, nor that we were more zealous in bringing death and destruction on Japan than Germany. I've heard the same things he has about people talking about Japanease folks, but I have also heard a lot of talk about those "Hun Bastards" that we fought in Europe. But, perhaps those are just differences in the perceptions of Mr Hanks and myself. For my part, I am more frightened of ignoramuses like Lorence with his wholesale manufacturing of events, and modified timelines thereof.

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Looking at the picture of the Trinity test, it is patently obvious to anyone wearing a tin foil hat that the scubbing bubbles are racist.

Some of the comments in that LA Times article truly do illustrate just how far we've fallen in regard to our knowledge of history. It is with equal parts disgust and derision that I read over and over again the moral equivalence between what Hanks offers as some sort of back-handed condemnation of the Pacific war and our operations on-going in the Middle East. Apparently there isn't a single thing on the planet that cannot be completely blamed on the US, including atrocities like the murderous rampage in Nanking or the savage attacks on innocent Filipinos...oh wait, that wasn't the US at all, was it...those were perpetrated by those poor, victimized Japanese...well, I'm certain that somehow those attacks were either orchestrated by the racist US or by Bush and Cheney using their Delorean and setting the Japanese military up for the fall...that's heavy, doc.

I'm sure most of the readers know -- and even if don't, I'm going to tell you -- that prior to Japanese attacks on China, the U.S. was selling oil and scrap metal to Japan. How do you think they built many of their naval vessels? However, as the war of conquest against China (from 1931 onward, basically) dragged on, and Japan started rattling its katana about its "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere," American imports were cut back and eventually cut off. Maybe that's the "blockade" to which Mr. Lorence was referring...[wait for it, wait for it...] but I doubt it.

Another thing to point out would be the depictions of the Germans and Italians in propaganda during World War II (but also, for example in World War I). The Germans were generally portrayed as "The Hun" an apish, brooding figure, often with fangs, rapaciously ravishing the flower of American and British womanhood. There is an excellent collection of World War II propaganda-from all sides (American, British, German, Japanese) in the World War II museum in New Orleans, I highly recommend it. It depicts, rather well, the widespread demonization on all sides that was common at the time.

People didn't fight the Japanese because they were "different", they fought them because they declared war on us because we objected to their play for dominance in the Asian theatre (and before MOTHAX assumes what I'm talking about is Kabuki I should probably change that to hemisphere). We didn't fight the Germans because they were "different" we fought them because they were running rampant over our European Allies.

The notion too, that we fight the Afghans because they are "different" is similarly flawed, in that we fight them because Al Qaeda attacked our soil with funding and training support that they received from Taliban allies in Afghanistan. I will further point out that a recent quote from a Taliban detainee in Pakistan noted: "The Taliban have only one objective: to continue killing the Americans."

Why we fight is important.

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I think the green light for historical revisionism started in real time during Vietnam. The famous quote by Walter Cronkite after Tet that "the war is lost" even though everyone within the military sphere on both sides knew that we did, in fact, win the Tet Offensive, since none of the military objectives were achieved by the North.

There was a program on the History Channel, I believe, where they had several big name actors sputtering revisionist history by a certain "historian" that is famous for exactly that; revisionist history. People like this Lorence see that crap and then turn around and repeat what they just heard as though they have now become learned "experts" on history. I know several people that are more "expert" about our war history than I will ever know, yet I know much more than Lorence does. So, who is ignorant of the facts, Lorence?

BTW I bet Lorence doesn't know that we also had Italian Americans in detention camps, too.

Isn't it true that the Purple Hearts minted for the invasion of Tokyo were distributed to wounded soldiers through the Vietnam War and beyond? Maybe still? At any rate, if we had not ended the war then and there, one can only wonder what kind of mega-destructive bloodbath -- how many on both sides -- would have been obliterated. One can only wonder if such a battle had continued for one, two or five more years what that would have meant for the second half of the century. Tojo was as much a tyrant as Hitler -- even more so according to many accounts -- and Japan's suicide-bombing approach to warfare was, at the time, not too far removed from the fanatical attacks of today's war. We are now in World War III, and the initiatives that won World War II -- the calculated sacrifice of human life in Normandy and the conclusive A-bomb, are cards we cannot play anymore. Leaves one to wonder how the final whistle will blow when the GWOT finally ends. Is it the Crusades? The Hundred Years War? This was not about racism. This was about salvation.

Very shorts, simple and easy to understand, bet some more comments from your side would be great

Historical Revisionists distort history to promote a political agenda that otherwise wouldn't see the light of day. They seem to think their agenda is TOO IMPORTANT for the truth.

I will definitely recommend this to my friends

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