The Legal Issues Involved in the Fort Hood Purple Heart Medal Discussions

November 19th, 2009 by MOTHAX

Purple Heart

Let The American Legion know what you think in the comments.

First, two important caveats that need to be clear before we proceed.

1) The American Legion does not have a position on the awarding of the Purple Heart Medal to the wounded and dead of the Fort Hood attacks. I’m going to be as neutral in discussing the facts and legal issues involved as much as humanly possible, but should any of my biases intrude in this largely objective discussion, they are mine and mine alone.

2) I am not a lawyer, I do not play one on TV, and I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night. While I have graduated from a law school, I have not as yet taken that little quiz offered, passage of which allows you to pay an exorbitant fee each year to be a member of a bar which serves no Guinness. So, if you are looking for legal advice, I advise you to contact someone who knows the law, and not this blogger. You wouldn’t contact an astronomer to work on your car, so don’t contact me if you are incarcerated.

Now, let’s begin with the “facts” as we currently perceive them, which is not to say they are facts, anymore so than the earlier “facts” that the shooter(s) was/were three people, one of whom had assumed room temperature on account of severe lead poisoning.

On November 5th at roughly 1:30 in the afternoon, Major Nidal Malik Hasan is alleged to have entered the Soldier Readiness Processing (SRP) Station on Ft Hood just outside Killeen, Texas, and opened fire on soldiers and civilians present. 13 people were killed (one of which was pregnant) and at least 30 people were injured. It is further alleged that before he opened fire Major Hasan jumped on a desk and yelled “Allahu Akbar!” which means “God is Good.” Subsequent reporting from various news sources (by way of leaks in the investigation) suggests that Major Hasan had contacted Anwar al-Awlaki, a Muslim imam who had previously been linked to several of the 9/11 conspirators. Additionally, colleagues of Hasan’s have gone public with various allegations that he uttered words that might be construed as extremist in nature in forums both public and private.

Now, some of those facts may be debatable, but for the purposes of our discussion, let us accept for now their validity.

Representative John Carter of Texas represents the district which Fort Hood is located in. He has introduced a bill which among other things calls for:

For purposes of the laws specified below, a member of the Armed Forces or civilian employee of the Department of Defense who was killed or wounded by gunfire in the shootings that occurred at Fort Hood, Texas, on November 5, 2009, shall be deemed—

(1) in the case of a member, to have been killed or wounded in a combat zone as the result of an act of an enemy of the United States; and

(2) in the case of a civilian employee of the Department of Defense, to have been killed or wounded while serving with the Armed Forces in a contingency operation or to have been killed or wounded in a terrorist attack.

Covered Laws

1) Would make the military service members injured by gunfire on November 5, 2009 eligible for the award of the Purple Heart (Executive Order 11016).

There are other financial issues involved, but to avoid too much confusion, let’s just stick to this. Now, for those who don’t know, Executive Order 11016 setting forth the criteria for the Purple Heart contains a subsection which authorizes the award:

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed Services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack.

So, that is the appropriate place to start. Now, most people probably wonder why a bill to award the purple heart is needed. Fair enough. Two problems arise. First, was this event an “international terrorist attack”? The more important problem though is that in order for the award to be authorized, the SecArmy needs to “recognize” this as an “terrorist attack.”

Major Hasan has been charged in a military court with 13 counts of murder. The possible penalty for this includes corporal punishment. (The Death Penalty.) It is generally accepted that Hasan will be convicted, and the real question that exists now is whether the jury will give him the death penalty. If the SecArmy were to declare this a terrorist attack, the prerequisite for the Purple Heart award, then Major Hasan would have grounds to appeal any conviction by virtue of what is known as “unlawful command influence.” As one military law website aptly stated:

Unlawful Command Influence (UCI) has frequently been called the “mortal enemy of military justice.” UCI occurs when senior personnel, wittingly or unwittingly, have acted to influence court members, witnesses, or others participating in military justice cases. Such unlawful influence not only jeopardizes the validity of the judicial process, it undermines the morale of military members, their respect for the chain of command, and public confidence in the military.

That leaves us in a bit of a quandary. In order to award the Purple Heart it must be deemed terrorism, and yet deeming it terrorism would jeopardize the trial. Put another way, the only person who can speak up also happens to be the one person who can not speak. You see the problem inherent in this.

Now, this is not the first instance of such an attack taking place. On 23 March, 2003, Sgt Asan Akbar rolled a grenade into an officer tent, and in the ensuing chaos, opened up with his rifle on those fleeing. On 21 April 2005 Akbar was found guilty of two counts of premeditated murder (RIP: CPT. Christopher Seifert, 27, US Army, and Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone, 40) and subsequently sentenced to die by lethal injection. That case is currently on appeal.

Now, there are several things that might happen, and I will list them here for you.

1) No award of the purple heart is issued to the wounded or those killed.

2) No award of the purple heart is issued to the wounded or those killed, however there is financial remuneration equal to what the soldiers and civilians would have received had they received the purple heart;

3) Representative Carter’s bill becomes a law, and the soldiers and civilians receive both the Purple Hearts and the money they are entitled to, potentially setting a precedent by which the Congress provides exceptions to the current formulation of the awards process;

4) The mechanism for determining whether an attack is in fact related to terrorism is changed from resting with SecArmy to one outside the chain of command, whether it be with Congress or some other entity;

5) The SecArmy just says screw it and awards the medals, and worries about the legal machinations later.

Now, I am sure there are others I haven’t listed here, and please feel free to enumerate them, but this is what I see as the most likely conclusions.

As I said, The American Legion has no position at this time. It is a more difficult situation than appears at first blush. Some think that TAL should embrace the position that these men were killed as a direct result of the Global War of Terror, and that common sense and justice demand that they be awarded the Purple Hearts, despite there being some potential legal pitfalls and problems stemming from this precedent.

Others have acknowledged that while these troops certain should get all the benefits, it is a scary proposition to allow that determination to be made by Congress. After all, the military is apolitical, while Congress might use their discretion to award such things in the future based on things which are not entirely altruistic in nature. For instance, do we want Congressmen and Senators dictating who gets awards like the Medal of Honor?

There are a host of positions in between as well. I haven’t run into anyone yet who doesn’t think these guys are entitled to everything we can get for them. The sticking point seems to be the precedent that would be set, and whether to in any way alter a process that has worked well up until now.

I have also heard told of some who do not believe that soldiers injured somewhere other than a battlefield should receive the Purple Heart. I would like it noted, however, that not a single person I have talked to believes this to be the case, but perhaps someone would like the unenviable task of arguing that point.

So, as The American Legion entertains discussion internally as to what our position will be, the National Commander and National Adjutant have authorized me to make this post, and give you, our Legionnaires and interested parties, the opportunity to speak your mind.

Now, before I set you free to comment, a few points. The right to speak freely does not necessarily imply a right to be heard. By that I mean if I see any comments outside the scope of this discussion which are improper in some way, you may find them relegated to the dustbin of cyberspace. For instance, no President is involved in this discussion. Anyone saying we should “Try Bush for War Crimes First!” or “Our President is a Muslim and not an American!” will be deleted. Let’s stick to the facts of the case. Also, religion is not a discussion item either. This is legal and political, not religious. So please do not engage in any conversation that might be construed as racial, bigoted or prejudicial. I know you all are better than that, but it needed to be said.

So, I grant you the floor, what say you My Readers?

While you are at it, go vote on the Big Q today which deals with this issue.

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207 Responses to “The Legal Issues Involved in the Fort Hood Purple Heart Medal Discussions”

  1. Bill Jacque says:

    Fort Hood was a crime scene and not a Combat Zone, therefore the Purple Heart should not be awarded.

  2. Steve says:

    Issue those folks who got killed by an officer who has a direct commission from
    congress any purple hearts & you are going to give purple hearts to those who really went to war & got injured in green on green fighting . The secretary of the army can’t make a call to be the first to call a crime by an insane individual an act of terrorism. A good terrorist doesn’t get caught, this guy is a piece of shit with some cultural retardation, he is not a terrorist although he went apeshit as well as the imam? Facts are important, this guy (the so called imam) is not a holy man & a holy man would be synonymous with being a true Imam.
    I was in an opcen & my friend went crazy while I was overseas, I was snuck from behind & returned home to get eye surgeries & my friend was put in a mental ward. Does he get a PTSD purple heart, do I get a green on green purple heart, our relatives are Catholic so maybe not. We had twenty two injured people in our SF company & not one purple heart.

    The only terrorists I have seen are the ones that barred us from hospitals, remember good terrorists never get caught.
    If one of those med students gets a purple heart then I have a real delight knowing that shit is pretty fake since 911 & you can do anything you want, it’s like the make up the war as you go on scenario.

    Did JFK get a purple heart from his assasination, I understand he earned it the hard way in the south pacific, but when was Lee Harvey Oswald ever deemed a terrorist for an assasination in the same state of the ft Sam Houston issue, take in consideration Oswald killed the CIC.

    Some assholes bullied that officer into insanity, wasn’t any NCO TYPES EITHER, if he shot up a bunch of NCO’s would … I’m not going there. All fair in war but this has nothing to do with war that guy is a serial killer, we still have words for those people, going postal is not
    terrorism, spin however you can, that Senator that initiated this bill might as well make himself king for the day too.

  3. AW1 Tim says:

    Hasan was not bullied by anyone. He was acting as an enemy combatant, no different from the Taliban, AQ, or any other Jihadi.

    Hasan abandoned his commission, his oath and his country the instant he decided to attack those soldiers. It was a pre-meditated attack, carried out in support of his Radical Islamic beliefs, and as an action in support of Radical Islam’s war on Western Civilization.

    As such, Hasan MUST be considered as an enemy combatant, and his actions a direct attack against our military.

    With all that considered, all 14 KIA and all those wounded by Hasan MUST be considered as casualties eligible for the Purple Heart, and such other compensation as may be due, or determined appropriate by competent authority and all prevailing laws and regulations.

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  5. bruce cobbeldick says:

    i saved two teenage females, age 17 and age 19, the 19 year old was 9 months pregnant, from drowning in 8 or 9 feet of water in a swimming pool. My Soldiers Medal, now at HRC, is likely to get downgraded due to alleged botched due process and failure to investigate and factor in the physiology of a multiple drowning incident, as well as do due diligence to talk to water safety SMEs.

    My chain of command at Fort Jackson, SC, claim that while my actions were noteworthy, I was under no personal danger and stood no significant risk to my own life, because “I was an excellent swimmer.”

    The problem is I am not an excellent swimmer, neither my BN, BDE or Post Commander ever talked to me, interviewed me or
    asked me any questions to quantify my swimming skills or training, and so the comment they made on the DA 638 was pure
    guesswork – pure baseless conjecture. They likely will cost me a Soldiers Medal by perhaps failing to adhere to the Army SM S.O.P.

  6. Lavada Watt says:

    I was searching for countries that give medals for wounded or KIA and discovered your article. I had heard somewhere years ago that we were the only country to award such a medal.
    Reason for my search is personal. Today I believe that there has such a watering down of the purple heart that lessens the significance of the medal the persons who earned the medal. Now before everyone gets all stirred up, let me say that I am an in-county Viet Nam Veteran in my own right. I have two personal situations that make my point, I believe clear:
    1 . My brother was a Marine stationed in Viet Nam Quan Tri provience, and KIA 15 March 1968 and awarded the Purple Heart
    2. My husband had been awarded the Purple Heart for wounds received in Viet Nam sometime prior our to meeting
    To men, same medal, both in a combat situation. Can’t get a better match up.
    My husband never mentioned his medal and why it was awarded. I saw no scars, but never pushed the issue. I learned quickly as an Army Nurse that you did not push for details on certain issues until the Veteran was ready to discuss such. a good while after our marriage my husband explained how he got wounded. Apparently a burning cinder popped from a fire and burned a spot on the top of his RT foot. He went on to state that he pulled the cinder out the top of his foot and made an hospital report. THEN he fills out his OWN papers for the Purple Heart, Submits them, and awarded the Purple Heart.
    That is why I feel that the Purple Heart is being diluted I am sure that everyone has heard of tales similar to to my husband’s.
    How doe this fit the legislation for the civilian wounded and and killed at FT Hood? I feel that the Purple Heart should NOT be diluated any further. Leave it to the brothers and sons and (honorable) husbands, sisters daughters and (honorable) wives for which the medal was intended our SOLDERS.
    I thought there existed a civilian award similar to the Purple Heart. If not, Make one !
    I just request that the Purple Heart honors the blood of the solders—-OUT

    If one wants to shake this issue further:
    –did the shooter get a Purple Heart ? Wounded (whatever) due to terrioist action.
    –what poor persons of 911, etc, etc, etc, .
    I am very proud of myself for not continuing with the injury(?) list awarded for the Purple Heart. Likewise some various members of the after services organizations should be very relieve.

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