The Legal Issues Involved in the Fort Hood Purple Heart Medal Discussions

 
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Purple Heart Let The American Legion know what you think in the comments. First, two important caveats that need to be clear before we proceed. 1) The American Legion does not have a position on the awarding of the Purple Heart Medal to the wounded and dead of the Fort Hood attacks. I’m going to be as neutral in discussing the facts and legal issues involved as much as humanly possible, but should any of my biases intrude in this largely objective discussion, they are mine and mine alone. 2) I am not a lawyer, I do not play one on TV, and I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night. While I have graduated from a law school, I have not as yet taken that little quiz offered, passage of which allows you to pay an exorbitant fee each year to be a member of a bar which serves no Guinness. So, if you are looking for legal advice, I advise you to contact someone who knows the law, and not this blogger. You wouldn’t contact an astronomer to work on your car, so don’t contact me if you are incarcerated. Now, let’s begin with the “facts” as we currently perceive them, which is not to say they are facts, anymore so than the earlier "facts" that the shooter(s) was/were three people, one of whom had assumed room temperature on account of severe lead poisoning. On November 5th at roughly 1:30 in the afternoon, Major Nidal Malik Hasan is alleged to have entered the Soldier Readiness Processing (SRP) Station on Ft Hood just outside Killeen, Texas, and opened fire on soldiers and civilians present. 13 people were killed (one of which was pregnant) and at least 30 people were injured. It is further alleged that before he opened fire Major Hasan jumped on a desk and yelled “Allahu Akbar!” which means “God is Good.” Subsequent reporting from various news sources (by way of leaks in the investigation) suggests that Major Hasan had contacted Anwar al-Awlaki, a Muslim imam who had previously been linked to several of the 9/11 conspirators. Additionally, colleagues of Hasan’s have gone public with various allegations that he uttered words that might be construed as extremist in nature in forums both public and private. Now, some of those facts may be debatable, but for the purposes of our discussion, let us accept for now their validity. Representative John Carter of Texas represents the district which Fort Hood is located in. He has introduced a bill which among other things calls for:
For purposes of the laws specified below, a member of the Armed Forces or civilian employee of the Department of Defense who was killed or wounded by gunfire in the shootings that occurred at Fort Hood, Texas, on November 5, 2009, shall be deemed— (1) in the case of a member, to have been killed or wounded in a combat zone as the result of an act of an enemy of the United States; and (2) in the case of a civilian employee of the Department of Defense, to have been killed or wounded while serving with the Armed Forces in a contingency operation or to have been killed or wounded in a terrorist attack. Covered Laws 1) Would make the military service members injured by gunfire on November 5, 2009 eligible for the award of the Purple Heart (Executive Order 11016).
There are other financial issues involved, but to avoid too much confusion, let’s just stick to this. Now, for those who don’t know, Executive Order 11016 setting forth the criteria for the Purple Heart contains a subsection which authorizes the award:
(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed Services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack.
So, that is the appropriate place to start. Now, most people probably wonder why a bill to award the purple heart is needed. Fair enough. Two problems arise. First, was this event an “international terrorist attack”? The more important problem though is that in order for the award to be authorized, the SecArmy needs to “recognize” this as an “terrorist attack.” Major Hasan has been charged in a military court with 13 counts of murder. The possible penalty for this includes corporal punishment. (The Death Penalty.) It is generally accepted that Hasan will be convicted, and the real question that exists now is whether the jury will give him the death penalty. If the SecArmy were to declare this a terrorist attack, the prerequisite for the Purple Heart award, then Major Hasan would have grounds to appeal any conviction by virtue of what is known as “unlawful command influence.” As one military law website aptly stated:
Unlawful Command Influence (UCI) has frequently been called the “mortal enemy of military justice.” UCI occurs when senior personnel, wittingly or unwittingly, have acted to influence court members, witnesses, or others participating in military justice cases. Such unlawful influence not only jeopardizes the validity of the judicial process, it undermines the morale of military members, their respect for the chain of command, and public confidence in the military.
That leaves us in a bit of a quandary. In order to award the Purple Heart it must be deemed terrorism, and yet deeming it terrorism would jeopardize the trial. Put another way, the only person who can speak up also happens to be the one person who can not speak. You see the problem inherent in this. Now, this is not the first instance of such an attack taking place. On 23 March, 2003, Sgt Asan Akbar rolled a grenade into an officer tent, and in the ensuing chaos, opened up with his rifle on those fleeing. On 21 April 2005 Akbar was found guilty of two counts of premeditated murder (RIP: CPT. Christopher Seifert, 27, US Army, and Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone, 40) and subsequently sentenced to die by lethal injection. That case is currently on appeal. Now, there are several things that might happen, and I will list them here for you. 1) No award of the purple heart is issued to the wounded or those killed. 2) No award of the purple heart is issued to the wounded or those killed, however there is financial remuneration equal to what the soldiers and civilians would have received had they received the purple heart; 3) Representative Carter’s bill becomes a law, and the soldiers and civilians receive both the Purple Hearts and the money they are entitled to, potentially setting a precedent by which the Congress provides exceptions to the current formulation of the awards process; 4) The mechanism for determining whether an attack is in fact related to terrorism is changed from resting with SecArmy to one outside the chain of command, whether it be with Congress or some other entity; 5) The SecArmy just says screw it and awards the medals, and worries about the legal machinations later. Now, I am sure there are others I haven’t listed here, and please feel free to enumerate them, but this is what I see as the most likely conclusions. As I said, The American Legion has no position at this time. It is a more difficult situation than appears at first blush. Some think that TAL should embrace the position that these men were killed as a direct result of the Global War of Terror, and that common sense and justice demand that they be awarded the Purple Hearts, despite there being some potential legal pitfalls and problems stemming from this precedent. Others have acknowledged that while these troops certain should get all the benefits, it is a scary proposition to allow that determination to be made by Congress. After all, the military is apolitical, while Congress might use their discretion to award such things in the future based on things which are not entirely altruistic in nature. For instance, do we want Congressmen and Senators dictating who gets awards like the Medal of Honor? There are a host of positions in between as well. I haven’t run into anyone yet who doesn’t think these guys are entitled to everything we can get for them. The sticking point seems to be the precedent that would be set, and whether to in any way alter a process that has worked well up until now. I have also heard told of some who do not believe that soldiers injured somewhere other than a battlefield should receive the Purple Heart. I would like it noted, however, that not a single person I have talked to believes this to be the case, but perhaps someone would like the unenviable task of arguing that point. So, as The American Legion entertains discussion internally as to what our position will be, the National Commander and National Adjutant have authorized me to make this post, and give you, our Legionnaires and interested parties, the opportunity to speak your mind. Now, before I set you free to comment, a few points. The right to speak freely does not necessarily imply a right to be heard. By that I mean if I see any comments outside the scope of this discussion which are improper in some way, you may find them relegated to the dustbin of cyberspace. For instance, no President is involved in this discussion. Anyone saying we should “Try Bush for War Crimes First!” or “Our President is a Muslim and not an American!” will be deleted. Let’s stick to the facts of the case. Also, religion is not a discussion item either. This is legal and political, not religious. So please do not engage in any conversation that might be construed as racial, bigoted or prejudicial. I know you all are better than that, but it needed to be said. So, I grant you the floor, what say you My Readers? While you are at it, go vote on the Big Q today which deals with this issue.
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Didn't read all 188 responses. It seems you are all missing the point. Once again, a member of the government, be it local, state or federal is trying to put a bandaid on the problem. A medal? No, they should not get the Purple Heart. Don't get me wrong - it's a crying shame this happened to those fine soldiers.
If the servicemembers get the proper support they need to do the job from our Gov't, this war would be over or well on it's way more than it is right now. The tell-tale signs of this individual was more than apparent, yet folks or colleges he worked with (trained counselors) couldn't or refused to see the signs that this guys had issues is unacceptable. Shame on the command at Ft. Hood on not taking care of this individual -- that's the problem/issue.

I would like to start by saying that i am a (3) time Purple Heart recipient and I am sorry that this tragedy happened but i feel that in order to recieve the purple heart you have to have bled for this country in foreign soil or during the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001. The troops in Fort Hood Texas RIP there is nothing wrong with them. I am sorry but we had incidents in Iraq that were friendly fire and the marines did not get the purple heart and troops for that reason were not awarded the purple heart. I feel that because it was a an arab decent that did this all of sudden he was a terrorist but I would like to remind people that he beared the U.S Army patch on his left chest which made him a us soldier. I suffer from PTSD but just like mr. Carter he did not serve in Iraq or Afghanistan 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 tours that drives you crazy it makes you think about suicide about hurting people but it is just that some are stronger than others that can find ways to handle themselves from doing something idiotic. I don't want to offend anybody or anyone but to me that is a Friendly Fire incident and now the Major will have to pay for his mistakes. I can not judge him since he was a United States Soldier and it is not the first time this has happened and the people back then were not recognized. 1969 Us Liberty was Shot down by the Israelis which made an act of was and they called that an accident and this is just what this was a soldier losing his mind.

I believe they should be awarded the Purple Heart. Just as those who were wounded at the Pentagon on 11 Sep 01 were. I think we all need to come to terms that this was a terroristic attack. The definition of terrorism is what will be the root issue here. Notice I didn't say Islamic terrorism, but terrorism. We are charged with defending the United States against all enemies.....foreign and domestic. This one just happened to be a domestic enemy within our ranks who committed an act of terror. Give them the medals.

[...] some guy named MOTHAX at The Burn Pit has too much time on his hands and explored the legal issues involved in honoring those casualties. [...]

First off it was men and women who were killed, not just men. Don't forget our soldier sisters.

Unless they qualify every shooting/murder of soldiers on base as terrorism then there is no precedent to change it this time. I don't think the military wants to go down that road.

I have difficulty justifying the PH for those who were standing in a line, without weapons and lack of evidence that this individual was acting on behalf of an organized effort to attack. Does one deluded individual who identifies with a cause but is not a "member" of a known (or unknown) organization with a gun constitute an "enemy"? What if he had been shooting democrats because he was a republican? Or shot soldiers because he was a Marine? Or shooting physicians because he opposed abortions as a result of his religious convictions? You see where this is going. It is a slippery slope and can only serve to diminish the PHs of those awarded for actual combat. In the case of the Pentagon, that was a planned attack by members of (and funded by) an identified terrorist organization (al Queda). The Ft Hood attack -- regardless of his professed motive -- seems to be the act of a deranged individual. If it's about getting the higher level of benefits for the families, let the Congress pass that legislation creating this case exception. It doesn't require giving the PH.

Before I read the comments, I was of the mind that the victims did not earn the PH. After reading the comments, my mind is unchanged.

It's tough to say no to any soldier shot in this situation. However, I would say this was not a battlefield condition. But, then again, I would have said no to the pentagon attack, also.

This might be a good time to start a new award with concurrent regulations for extraordinary sacrifice. These soldiers were essentailly "shot in the back" by both a traitor/coward and a terrorist. They (and surviving families) deserve the military's best support both emotionally and financially. That might include an award for their children to find pride in this tragic event. After all.... we all become targets when we put that uniform on.

Though I would not argue that these soldiers should be awarded the purple heart, I do have an issue in which the purple heart is awarded. My son and three other Marines were killed in an helicopter accident while in combat in Afghanistan on October 26, 2009. Three pilots, my son was the huey pilot, and a corporal were not awarded the highest medal, even though they made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. The accident is pending. They were on a combat mission fighting terriorism in Afghanistan. They were due to come home in less than two weeks. The hurt that these four courageous souls are not automatically awarded the purple heart is beyond belief! How painful for all the families involved.

Award it. And award it to any military member wounded as a result of terrouist attacks anywhere. And it's far too much of a stretch to equate " every shooting/murder of soldiers on base" with this instance of obviously jihadi-motivated terrorism.

I must admit that I hadn't thought about it. But in a combat situation, when one of us is wounded, particularly with some seriousness (again, letting out John Kerry, since there is no award for self-inflicted wounds) one is awarded the Purple Heart.

I believe that the second Major Hasan made the decision to kill American soldiers he qualified as an "enemy of the United States."

That, to me, means that anyone killed or wounded by any terrorist attack, including 9/11, while serving in the Armed Forces of the United States deserves the award and all that goes with it... and that includes the troops at Ft. Hood as well as the Little Rock Recruiting Station and the other fragging attack by an American Muslim, Sgt Hasan Akbar, that typically goes unmentioned.

a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded

(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.

"in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services" obviously would include Ft. Hood awaiting deployment.

Although wearing the uniform of my Army, is their any doubt this scumbag became an enemy of the United States the INSTANT he made the decision to kill us?

We can come up with a dozen reasons NOT to award this medal.

But we can also come up with a dozen reasons TO award this medal.

And under the circumstances, when it comes to those who’ve shed their blood for this country at the hands of an enemy… ANY enemy… acknowledging that fact with this medal is the least we can do.

This is one of those "slippery slope" issues.
My personal opinion is that this WAS an act of terror perpetrated by an Islamic extremist, no matter that he WAS one of our own.
The line does have to be drawn somewhere however, this was not an armed combat situation, the exception of course being the Law Enforcement officers that responded to the incident.
As for young men and women "just standing in line", well, that's not the issue, the issue is their willingness to serve their country and go in harms way.
And is that really an issue, no.
We all obviously feel for those that lost their lives, the impact that it has on their family's.
For those that where wounded (as well as their family's) in what I think we will ultimately discover was an act of terror, how do we honor them, how do we honor the Police Officers.
How do we honor those who gave their lives in defense of Freedom, and make no mistake about it, that's why they made the ultimate sacrifice, it just so happens that it wasn't in a designated combat zone.
I don't have the answer, but I'm searching for one.

No, the wounds were not associated with actions in combat. Weakening the regulations would give Purple Hearts for traffic accidents, or training accidents, gunshots wounds while cleaning weapons, etc. It cheapens the significance of the Purple Heart!

This is a painful situation, but it does not fit with the intent of the purple heart. This is criminal act, but it is not the result of action on the field of battle. I do offer my prayers to those indivuals affected by this tragedy.

They are eligible to be awarded the Purple Heart since Congress changed the criteria to include wounds recieved by friendly fire.

Yes, and I agree with Claude W. up and until the action of the shooting is proven to be a terrorist attack insted of a criminal act.

Yes. Since our"government" tells us to think "globally", this rat terrorist did just that. Brought the war on global terrorism right to our front doors. He is an acknowledged enemy of the U.S. He fired on active duty soldiers who ar in the war on terrorism. At this stage of the game it doesn't matter where the firefights occur. These men and women were wounded as a direct result of enemy action. Thanks for this great website and a chance to sound off. Old Sarge. Former 82nd Abn/SF.

As a Viet Nam veteran it is my opinion that the persons that were killed be awarded the Purple Heart because they gave their life from enemy fire. It does not matter if the "enemy" was a member of the US armed forces or not, these service members gave their life from an enemy of the US. The surviving service members should receive some recognition all their own. The medal they receive should show how they were injured. It is my personal belief as a war veteran that these service members(ALL)should be recognized for their service to their county. AND DON'T TAKE A LIFETIME TO DO THIS.

No problem with Ft Hood casualties receiving the PH. Should that be the case, Agent Orange Casualties woul also qualify.

Before I read many of these posts I was not for awarding the PH to our brothers and sisters killed at Ft. Hood. There are many objective arguments but the most convincing is that this attack has not been and in my opinion will not be declared "Terriorism". Sadly we have lost 13 citizen volunteer heros, monitary remuneration is a must, the PH remains with the powers that be. I remain against the PH.

The women and men who died as a result of this attack were either preparing for deployment or were being processed by these folk, or enforcing regulations or other duties related to our support of our military. These service members deserve the purple heart as much as any member killed on the battle field. It should not matter that it was here in our own country. The the wounded military personnel and civilians, I believe, qualify for other honors. They all deserve our thanks and our prayers for an unthinkable tragedy

My father fought in the Chosin Reservior in Korea. You either had dead Marines or frostbitten Marines in the end. Though many lost limbs as a result of the frostbite with temperature below -50 F, none received the Purple Heart for their losses then. There shouldn't be medals awarded now, just because a fellow soldier shoots and kills or wounds someone in their unit. Do we give them to the ones lost as a result of "friendly fire" I don't think so. This is purely a criminal act and doesn't warrant a medal for being shot by a nut in the US Army.

In response to several who asked, the criteria holds that:

(b) Individuals wounded or killed as a result of "friendly fire" in the "heat of battle" will be awarded the Purple Heart as long as the "friendly" projectile or agent was released with the full intent of inflicting damage or destroying enemy troops or equipment.

A question though: Does anyone who feels this IS terrorism feel that these folks DO NOT deserve the Purple Heart, and are there any who feel this was not terrorism who think that they SHOULD get it?

Also, I am completely lost on the argument made that if these guys and gals get the PH that we have to give it to accident victims, so if someone could further explain that argument I would appreciate it. My understanding of this issue is that due to the terrorism caveat that these guys would deserve it if it was so deemed terrorism. Has there been traffic accidents as a result of terrorism, or am I missing some larger "truth"?

It is unbelievable that we are fighting a war on terror on foreign soil, and in our own land, but some people do not want to recognize that fact including the current administration who wants to call it "overseas contingency". The Fort Hood battle was between an Islamic Terrorist that had guns and a group of US Soldiers that had no weapons. Does this make their service to our country any less important than being wounded or killed fighting the war in Afganistan by an IED or suicide bomber? The Fort Hood soldiers should receive the Purple Heart for being wounded in action and for their galantry of fighting for each of us against the enemies of our country whether it be on our soil or another.

Jack Sossoman
Topeka, KS

I made a statement for the issuing of the medal to these service menbers, but I have a question about the charges of the shooter.He has been charged with murder and attempted murder for his actions. I would like to know why he has not been charged with treason against the US.

I was chief of the US Army Military Awards Branch, Milpercen in 1975-1977 and was the action officer that did the casework required to award the Purple Heart to the service personnel interred in the Tomb of the Unknowns. Based on the information available at this time, if the perpetrator was indeed in contact with a person or group that espoused violence against the US, that essentially makes him a terrorist. In this unique environment where there is no nation or national entity involved in military action against the US, the hostilities faced by the US Armed Forces are no less deadly than those of hostile nations. There is no "front", but there is a "war on terror", and the casualties can occur anywhere on earth. That the perpetrator could be tried and sentenced to death should not enter into the equation, and the decision should rest with the Secretary of Defense as to the application of the rules for awarding the Purple Heart. "Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead."

Its my belief that the purple heart should only be awarded to a military person that has beed wounded in combat by an ememy of the usa.

I must say I am torn between both sides. I will say this, that if they do get the PH, those that were shot at the recruiting offices should also receive the PH.

If Purple Hearts were awarded to those Service Members killed and wounded as a result of the terrorist attack of the Pentagon (9/11), then the precedent has been set. The Fort Hood personnel should receive the PH! The only way this will not be determined to be a "terrorist attack"is if the powers-to-be continue to be politicaly correct and ignore the true Islamic threat within the borders of this Country. England, France, Italy, etc. have refused to recognize the threat posed by Islamists and look what is happening there. Whatever the decision on the Purple Hearts, we will ponder it again as more incidents of this nature occur.

Yes, they should be awarded the purple heart as they were killed or wounded by enemy fire. The guy is an avowed supporter of jihad (Terrorism) who should have been removed from the army a long time ago. And as for the troops being unarmed, that is not their fault and needs to be corrected. If they can be trusted with full auto weapons, explosives, missles etc. on the battlefield, the best trained troops in the world should most certainly be trusted with weapons to protect themselves at home. And don't go talking about wild west shootouts, that baloney has been discredited in 48 states with concealed carry laws and proven to be garbage.

I cannot anticipate a successsful claim of Double Jepardy, if this perpitrator is tried in both Civilian Court, and a Military Procedure, at least if not for only the identical deaths and injuries.

If this was not a terrorist attack by an enemy of mankind who fired many rounds to create terror in addition to deaths, then much of what has been done in other countries to kill and maim American Military and Civilians cannot be so considered.

The Major's position in Our Military may well create a case of Treason, as well - or stand alone charges of murder. While killing other Military members intentionally, all without proven provocation or threat. This rules out any self-defense position, or preemtive claim.

By choosing the charges in each juristriction, in appropriate manner, and securing convictions in each, the future possible claims against providing awards of the Purple Heart, and monetary awards can be reduced to near zero.

Guilty verdicts cannot result in both the death determination, AND carry out, in both procedures, but as has been the case in other murders in the United States, such have served as 'backups' in case an appeal is won in all but one such conviction.

A WWII Naval Aviation Veteran

No they should not be awarded the purple heart. I feel terrible for those that lost their lives but you cannot give the purple heart for non combat related casualties. My father received one in World War II crossing europe with Patton, I received one in Vietnam with the First Cav outside of Hue, neither one of us asked for it, but we were in a foreign land fighting for our country. Just being in the military and getting injured in any scenario and receiving the Purple Heart would absolutly cheapen the award for those that served in combat related missions. Perhaps some other award might be applicaple, but not the Purple Heart.

Hi. Sounds like some politically correct choices to make in the questions and being answered. The current war on terrorism has no established war zone battlefields as in most prior wars. Both Korea and Vietnam (I'm vietnam type) had separate countries but political correctness sort of limited each war to one country (each) therein. Todays war battlefields are wherever you find the enemy. Those guys (both sexes) at Fort Hood were in a battlefield zone similar to Twin Towers and Pentagon zones. So yes, being killed by a terrorist at Fort Hood took place in a war zone - we are in a war zone until the enemy cedes. The guy was a terrorist, disguised in an american uniform - and for that, should be tried in a military tribunal. Only the current administration and the congress might, plus those other types that inhabit this land (and they know who they are) from News Media (both written and viewable) attempt to cover this up, using political correctness as their weapon. I think they desire much more than just a PH from this government and true americans. Just my personal thoughts on the subject.

I don't know the answer to this question, but I think the circumstances are pertinent. A couple of years ago a US soldier who had converted to Islam decided to go "a-fraggin'" in Iraq and killed several of his fellow soldiers. The circumstances here seem to be essentially the same -- in fact, IMO they were both acts of terrorism. But, were the other soldiers who were wounded/killed in that act of terror in Iraq awarded the Purple Heart.

During WWII and Korea there were purportedly turncoat soldiers who were reported to have fired on our soldiers. In those cases, any wound would have qualified for a Purple Heart because it was an act of an enemy. The locus (combat zone, not a combat zone, stateside, where ever) doesn't make much difference to me. Were the injuries and deaths caused by an enemy act. In this case, the enemy is terrorism, regardless of the actor's status.

Yes Greg, we do award the Purple Heart for those casualties of friendly fire.

I served in the Gulf War, I believe that in todays war on terror, the entire globe is the battlefield. Don't bury your head in the sand or stand on old definitions. The enemy is already here and they plan on purpetrating acts of terror on our families, on our friends and on our fellow citizens. Wherever the enemy is and is willing to engage, that is the battlefield.

Sadly, these soldiers were un-armed, in a safe place, on duty, and were attacked by a terrorist (traitor also, in my opinion, since the guy was wearing our uniform). There are many cases where the PH should be awarded, and many times it should not have. One fellow brought up "Agent Orange". Many, including myself were exposed, and many have suffered, but no PH. I wish this was going to be simply a "Military" issue, and let my Army handle it. If this would be the case, try the traitor-terrorist, deal with him the way the old UCMJ would do (at the least hard labor at Leavenworth for the rest of his life, including court-marshal, busted, and restitution). Bottom line, award the PH to these soldiers for being wounded or killed by a gihad terrorist traitor while serving this great country.
If the PC government decides he simply snapped, meaning he is neither traitor nor terrorist, then I guess our soldiers were in a "safe"place at the wrong time. No, I'm not a fanatic or nut, just an old former soldier who is very proud of our veterans and those in the service of our country. I really believe, that when military personnel (especially while they are in uniform or in the company of those who are know to be service men and women) are shot at, then it's war. Mark LeRoy, U.S. Army Veteran

As far as I'm concerned, this man was a terrorist sympathizer, and by his actions, he commited a terrorist act upon our men and women of the military. while we are at war with the terrorists. Any one who is killed here in the states or over seas should be awarded the medal period. You can't tell me that if during World War II, if the Germans or Japanese came ashore here in the states and started shooting, and were killing and or injuring our soldiers, that you wouldn't give them the medal. How is this so different? Other than he was wairing a United States uniform. I also believe that they should go back to the firing squad when it comes to executing this person! He deserves nothing less for his actions.

Profile, Profile, Profile. If they had profiled this individual there is a good chance that the 13 would be alive today. Damn the "political correctness and running the risk of hurting ones feelings or whatever else we might be thinking. I think the commanding officer should be held accountable if it is found that he knew about this individual and did nothing In fact I think all personnel should be held accountable if they knew and did nothing for fear of "profiling" an individual.
C. E. Clapp
Post Adjutant
American Legion Post 100
Bethel, CT 06801

When will people learn that the United States is a Battle Ground, NY,PENN,VA,CA ECT

I am with Benny Platt, this is an act of treason. Further, if a person has been killed in uniform while serving our armed forces, with or without a weapon (think medic, chaplain, etc), is he not a hero and deserving individual, just because unfortunately we are now fighting a battle on our own ground? If we were invaded by Canada or Mexico or Cuba and lives were lost, would that not be a similar situation?

No Purple Heart in this case. I believe these 13 were a victim of a crime committed by one of their own who had severe mental issues. I think this would cheapen this medal down to a "personal award" status (like a Good Conduct Medal) where whoever gets a papercut or splinter can whine and get one. Let us not undermine the intent of this award based a tugging of the heartstrings. Yes it is terrible how and why this happened but I don't believe the Purple Heart Medal should be issued.

Yes, i believe they should get the medal but it wasn't declared the act of Terrorist but a Crime......the 9/11 was Declared a Act of Terror...thats the difference......

Greg,
I you are sitting at a base camp, drinking beer and playing cards and a mortar round hits the tent or a zapper enters the tent and guns some of the men down, do those men get the purple heart?

I am just saying if it was declared a Terrorist Attacked then yes they should get it, since it wasnt then no they shouldnt.....Per United States Army regulations, the Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of the Armed Forces of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after April 5, 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died after being wounded. Specific examples of services which warrant the Purple Heart include any action against an enemy of the United States; any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged; while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party; as a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces; or as the result of an act of any hostile foreign force.....This is the GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM.....WHICH MEANS THAT THE USA IS CONSIDER A BATTLE FIELD ON TERRORIST.....

Who wrote this article? Hasan Was seen shooting these unarmed soldiers. They deserive the Purplr Heart. We are at war with the muslim people. but we are so dam politicaly correct. Now our apoligic comander in chief wants to hold off on an investigation so as not to offend. Lets call a muslim a terrorist like it realy is. We should do to the muslims what we did to the japanes im WWII, The were a lot less violent then the muselms. We have been invaded by terrorist, they have caused enough problem, treason, and death in the world. Its time to put a stop to it. It is also time to recall the this president, for all the lies,he has predicated on the american people. GOD BLESS AMERICA WE ARE A CHRISTAN NATION MR PRESIDENT!!! WE WERE FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN JUDAIO PHINCIPLES.

If you are interested in this cause, please join my Facebook group "Award the Purple Heart to Fort Hood Military Victims of Nidal Malik Hasan." We are already 3000+ strong and started writing letters to Congress advocating for this, before John Carter introduced this idea. So who knows, maybe we are having an impact! Here is the link:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=173250464165&ref=ts

Thanks!
Mark

The soldiers and civilians at Ft. Hood were attacked by an enemy sympathizer, that cannot be argued. While he wore the uniform of the U. S. Army, and had sworn an oath to obey the Constitution and follow his superior officers orders also cannot be argued. Therefore, he was a traitor to this country and the uniform he wore. He was also a murderer.
IMHO, he should be tried for both treason and 13 counts of murder, in a military tribunal.
Although I served in the Navy during the Vietnam era, I was never in a combat zone so am not qualified to make a judgement concerning awards received while under fire, be it hostile or "friendly." I feel that we should allow the current and former recipients of the Purple Heart decide whether these casualties qualify for this medal and the priveleges and honors that it signifies.

We are not at war with the muslims....not all muslims are the bad guys....man too many dumb A** in the services

Since 9/11 the U.S. is a war zone since we are being attacked in our country. I is time we as Americans wake up to the fact we are being attacked within our boders. These commards in arms were attacted in our country at a place that should be safe for them. The bleeding hearst in this country want us to feel sorry for yhe attacker. I do not I feel our FBI and the so called homeland Security failed us as a country. They should have arrested this so called Maj. and held his as a war criminal or traitor to the country he swore alligents to . I am proud to have served my country.

I beleave that the dead and wounded at Ft. Hood should be awarded the Purple Heart Medal.

Hasan was a traitor and a terrorist and perpatrated a terrorist attack on the men and women at Ft. Hood.

He was as much of a terriorist as the 9/11 thugs or the rats who plant IUD's on the roads of Iraq and
Afganistan.

He should be given a court marshal and when proven guilty as a traitor, should be hanged by the neck until dead.

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