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		<title>By: body armor vest</title>
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		<dc:creator>body armor vest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was online searching for a new bullet proof vest and came across Blue Defense.  They have a great selection and awesome customer service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was online searching for a new bullet proof vest and came across Blue Defense.  They have a great selection and awesome customer service.</p>
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		<title>By: The Guide</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to experience that there are blog owners that care about their blogs and not compose all kind of useless stuff but rather try to maintain it complete and precious for the sake of their readers. You&#039;ve done a good job and i thank you for that and also for not traumatizing me with inutile garbage and spam.Thank You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to experience that there are blog owners that care about their blogs and not compose all kind of useless stuff but rather try to maintain it complete and precious for the sake of their readers. You&#8217;ve done a good job and i thank you for that and also for not traumatizing me with inutile garbage and spam.Thank You</p>
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		<title>By: baseball picks</title>
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		<dc:creator>baseball picks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks thanks thanks! I was looking for something along the lines of this (baseballs) for hours and couldn&#039;t find it. I&#039;m thinking, I&#039;m thinking I might get my kids&#160;into baseball or some type of sport, what do you suggest? Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks thanks thanks! I was looking for something along the lines of this (baseballs) for hours and couldn&#8217;t find it. I&#8217;m thinking, I&#8217;m thinking I might get my kids&nbsp;into baseball or some type of sport, what do you suggest? Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: MOTHAX</title>
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		<dc:creator>MOTHAX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)  Thanks Kanani!</description>
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		<title>By: Kanani (The Kitchen Dispatch)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kanani (The Kitchen Dispatch)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mothax and I have been having a nice conversation, so I thought I&#039;d drop it here as well.

I wasn&#039;t disagreeing with you, I was only showing what VoteVets appears to be doing, and also that a commitment to not be like them takes a top down decision from the board. I haven&#039;t checked their board, but if they have Gen Clark (who I respect) speaking for them, it would appear their motives are clearly partisan --being that he has attempted to run for the democratic ticket in the past (boy what a dumb decision). They&#039;re drawing from an obvious pool of people who think and act like them, rather than casting a wider net. The problems with this is that a group ends up not representing the broad interests of veterans and to become a mouthpiece for politics.

I think that the AL&#039;s reputation is conservative and Republican, however their track record&lt;i&gt; belies&lt;/i&gt; this perception. The AL has worked on national issues that effect Veterans. Period. If there is any perception created about political affiliation, by all means it&#039;s been created along the local levels --often to the detriment of posts that see their numbers dwindling, &amp; their membership growing grayer.

Mind you, this is not a problem unique to organizations. A lot of organizations are facing the same issue: how to attract new members. And the problem is if the perceptions don&#039;t match up with the truth,  what ends up happening is rather than joining the AL (and using their history, experiences, and resources), they decide to set up VV --and then both sets of veterans end up losing.

So I think it&#039;s incumbent upon the AL to find out why people dropped out. One of those has already said when they got their newsletter it was too &quot;right wing.&quot;

I think AL does a lot of great work. I know they need to get younger members. I hope your blog will do just that --but remember it will take a top down decision from the board of directors to bring a diverse plank aboard --at every level --local, state and national.

Good luck with your efforts. You are making a GREAT START with the blog. Just remember that what you have on your side is the history of RESULTS of the Legion, and much to draw upon.
&lt;i&gt;
To which I&#039;ll add:
The value of local AL Posts cannot be emphasized enough. They&#039;re the backbone of the organization. Their efforts make it possible to carry out such operations as this blog, and also the website. The challenge is --as it is with all august organizations, is how to attract and retain members. As for membership --it&#039;s a no brainer.  Just look at what the AL has accomplished!  I can&#039;t imagine why anyone would *not* try to be involved at some level --whether national, local or virtual. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mothax and I have been having a nice conversation, so I thought I&#8217;d drop it here as well.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t disagreeing with you, I was only showing what VoteVets appears to be doing, and also that a commitment to not be like them takes a top down decision from the board. I haven&#8217;t checked their board, but if they have Gen Clark (who I respect) speaking for them, it would appear their motives are clearly partisan &#8211;being that he has attempted to run for the democratic ticket in the past (boy what a dumb decision). They&#8217;re drawing from an obvious pool of people who think and act like them, rather than casting a wider net. The problems with this is that a group ends up not representing the broad interests of veterans and to become a mouthpiece for politics.</p>
<p>I think that the AL&#8217;s reputation is conservative and Republican, however their track record<i> belies</i> this perception. The AL has worked on national issues that effect Veterans. Period. If there is any perception created about political affiliation, by all means it&#8217;s been created along the local levels &#8211;often to the detriment of posts that see their numbers dwindling, &amp; their membership growing grayer.</p>
<p>Mind you, this is not a problem unique to organizations. A lot of organizations are facing the same issue: how to attract new members. And the problem is if the perceptions don&#8217;t match up with the truth,  what ends up happening is rather than joining the AL (and using their history, experiences, and resources), they decide to set up VV &#8211;and then both sets of veterans end up losing.</p>
<p>So I think it&#8217;s incumbent upon the AL to find out why people dropped out. One of those has already said when they got their newsletter it was too &#8220;right wing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think AL does a lot of great work. I know they need to get younger members. I hope your blog will do just that &#8211;but remember it will take a top down decision from the board of directors to bring a diverse plank aboard &#8211;at every level &#8211;local, state and national.</p>
<p>Good luck with your efforts. You are making a GREAT START with the blog. Just remember that what you have on your side is the history of RESULTS of the Legion, and much to draw upon.<br />
<i><br />
To which I&#8217;ll add:<br />
The value of local AL Posts cannot be emphasized enough. They&#8217;re the backbone of the organization. Their efforts make it possible to carry out such operations as this blog, and also the website. The challenge is &#8211;as it is with all august organizations, is how to attract and retain members. As for membership &#8211;it&#8217;s a no brainer.  Just look at what the AL has accomplished!  I can&#8217;t imagine why anyone would *not* try to be involved at some level &#8211;whether national, local or virtual. </i></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American Legion, VFW and The DAV  have pushed Congress and Our Presidents (No matters their Political association) to fund VA Healthcare, Education and  Medical Research ( including Effects of Agent Orange, Desert Storm Syndrome ). Politics are not what these Organizations are about. They are about Teaching Our Youth Values, Respect For Our FLag, Proper Disposal of Our Flag and Life Lessons. Scholarships for Nursing Programs are provided, but there are other Scholarships also.
 Read the Laws and By Laws. 
The Biggest fact for anyone to look at is that Each of these Organizations will Help a Veteran or Family member with a VA claim without them being a Member of that Organization. They will ask you to join, but they want force you and It is not a requirement for them to Represent You at The Regional Office. They have pushed Veterans&#039; Issues through Washington since the Beggining that is the Reason The VA is better now. I know there are some other organizations I have Left out, but the one thing is I know there are Veterans that vote how they want and are not pushed by these Organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American Legion, VFW and The DAV  have pushed Congress and Our Presidents (No matters their Political association) to fund VA Healthcare, Education and  Medical Research ( including Effects of Agent Orange, Desert Storm Syndrome ). Politics are not what these Organizations are about. They are about Teaching Our Youth Values, Respect For Our FLag, Proper Disposal of Our Flag and Life Lessons. Scholarships for Nursing Programs are provided, but there are other Scholarships also.<br />
 Read the Laws and By Laws.<br />
The Biggest fact for anyone to look at is that Each of these Organizations will Help a Veteran or Family member with a VA claim without them being a Member of that Organization. They will ask you to join, but they want force you and It is not a requirement for them to Represent You at The Regional Office. They have pushed Veterans&#8217; Issues through Washington since the Beggining that is the Reason The VA is better now. I know there are some other organizations I have Left out, but the one thing is I know there are Veterans that vote how they want and are not pushed by these Organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Sumner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Sumner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange how Jon Stolz never mentions that Joe Biden obviously dodged the draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange how Jon Stolz never mentions that Joe Biden obviously dodged the draft.</p>
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		<title>By: Seventh Son</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seventh Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who think The American Legion is conservative and/or Republican let me point you to the following set of press releases issued by the organization in the past several months. This is not a complete list but is representative.

March 16, 2009 http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2548/american-legion-strongly-opposed-presidents-plan-charge-wounded-heroes-treatment

March 19, 2009 http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2550/legion-commander-praises-obamas-change-plan

March 27, 2009 http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2586/american-legion-supports-obama-plan-afghanistan

April 14, 2009 http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2626/american-legion-very-pleased-presidents-va-initiatives

April 24, 2009 http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2652/contrite-homeland-security-secretary-offers-sincere-apology-veterans

June 15, 2009 http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2729/american-legion-lauds-congress-and-president-action-wartime-spending-bill

July 7, 2009 http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2773/missile-defense-stakes-couldnt-be-higher

Sept 24, 2009 http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2930/legion-white-house-we-must-not-lose-afghanistan

I defy anyone to identify a partisan or ideological political agenda in that group. I know that the claim can be made that I have picked and chosen among the press releases to make my point. If someone wishes they can go to

http://www.legion.org/national/divisions/pr

and read every press release issued by the Legion since January 1, 2009. Our positions are public and formed by resolutions from our members.

As regards the claim that we have been involved in politics since our founding. We certainly have. Everyone that works with our elected officials on veterans&#039; issues is involved in politics, like it or not. The distinction that must be drawn however is between being political and being partisan. They are not the same. It is partisanship that the Legion avoids as should all veterans organizations if they truly have veterans&#039; issues as their sole purpose as many claim, a claim that some don&#039;t live up to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who think The American Legion is conservative and/or Republican let me point you to the following set of press releases issued by the organization in the past several months. This is not a complete list but is representative.</p>
<p>March 16, 2009 <a href="http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2548/american-legion-strongly-opposed-presidents-plan-charge-wounded-heroes-treatment" rel="nofollow">http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2548/american-legion-strongly-opposed-presidents-plan-charge-wounded-heroes-treatment</a></p>
<p>March 19, 2009 <a href="http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2550/legion-commander-praises-obamas-change-plan" rel="nofollow">http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2550/legion-commander-praises-obamas-change-plan</a></p>
<p>March 27, 2009 <a href="http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2586/american-legion-supports-obama-plan-afghanistan" rel="nofollow">http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2586/american-legion-supports-obama-plan-afghanistan</a></p>
<p>April 14, 2009 <a href="http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2626/american-legion-very-pleased-presidents-va-initiatives" rel="nofollow">http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2626/american-legion-very-pleased-presidents-va-initiatives</a></p>
<p>April 24, 2009 <a href="http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2652/contrite-homeland-security-secretary-offers-sincere-apology-veterans" rel="nofollow">http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2652/contrite-homeland-security-secretary-offers-sincere-apology-veterans</a></p>
<p>June 15, 2009 <a href="http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2729/american-legion-lauds-congress-and-president-action-wartime-spending-bill" rel="nofollow">http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2729/american-legion-lauds-congress-and-president-action-wartime-spending-bill</a></p>
<p>July 7, 2009 <a href="http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2773/missile-defense-stakes-couldnt-be-higher" rel="nofollow">http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2773/missile-defense-stakes-couldnt-be-higher</a></p>
<p>Sept 24, 2009 <a href="http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2930/legion-white-house-we-must-not-lose-afghanistan" rel="nofollow">http://www.legion.org/pressrelease/2930/legion-white-house-we-must-not-lose-afghanistan</a></p>
<p>I defy anyone to identify a partisan or ideological political agenda in that group. I know that the claim can be made that I have picked and chosen among the press releases to make my point. If someone wishes they can go to</p>
<p><a href="http://www.legion.org/national/divisions/pr" rel="nofollow">http://www.legion.org/national/divisions/pr</a></p>
<p>and read every press release issued by the Legion since January 1, 2009. Our positions are public and formed by resolutions from our members.</p>
<p>As regards the claim that we have been involved in politics since our founding. We certainly have. Everyone that works with our elected officials on veterans&#8217; issues is involved in politics, like it or not. The distinction that must be drawn however is between being political and being partisan. They are not the same. It is partisanship that the Legion avoids as should all veterans organizations if they truly have veterans&#8217; issues as their sole purpose as many claim, a claim that some don&#8217;t live up to.</p>
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		<title>By: Mothax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mothax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Americanization&quot; I assume is a reference to our Americanism and Children and Youth divisions.  They run our Boys State and Girls State programs, Boys and Girls Nation, Oratorical contests, American Legion baseball, support for Boy Scouts etc.  The Americanism division does immigration and naturalization issues, support for religious freedom issues (like the Mojave cross), support for the flag, flag retirement ceremonies etc.  I&#039;m curious as to which of those is so odious.  (Honestly.)  Either way, they come directly from our four pillars, which stem from the first days of the organization.  Our preamble to our constitution even addresses some of them.

So, other than the Check Card disagreement on what it does, which I can see an argument being made on, is there anything specific that Seventh Son (who&#039;s identity is openly disclosed in another post) that is incorrect factually?

The idea of the blog here is to discuss these things openly.  I hope we can do it with a bit less rancor, but I do understand people feeling strongly in one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Americanization&#8221; I assume is a reference to our Americanism and Children and Youth divisions.  They run our Boys State and Girls State programs, Boys and Girls Nation, Oratorical contests, American Legion baseball, support for Boy Scouts etc.  The Americanism division does immigration and naturalization issues, support for religious freedom issues (like the Mojave cross), support for the flag, flag retirement ceremonies etc.  I&#8217;m curious as to which of those is so odious.  (Honestly.)  Either way, they come directly from our four pillars, which stem from the first days of the organization.  Our preamble to our constitution even addresses some of them.</p>
<p>So, other than the Check Card disagreement on what it does, which I can see an argument being made on, is there anything specific that Seventh Son (who&#8217;s identity is openly disclosed in another post) that is incorrect factually?</p>
<p>The idea of the blog here is to discuss these things openly.  I hope we can do it with a bit less rancor, but I do understand people feeling strongly in one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonn Lilyea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonn Lilyea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s very telling that &quot;the &#039;Americanization&#039; of youths&quot; is considered political indoctrination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s very telling that &#8220;the &#8216;Americanization&#8217; of youths&#8221; is considered political indoctrination.</p>
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